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Ex-F-4 crew members highlight why loved it despite its issues

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“The hard wing variants did not turn as well as the slatted models. Smaller planes could outturn it however a well-flown Phantom was the king until the next generation fighters came out,” Rick Danzey, former USAF F-4 Phantom driver.

One of the most versatile fighters ever made was the two-seat, twinjet, all-weather McDonnell F-4 Phantom II, which could travel at high speeds exceeding the speed of sound. More Western air forces than any other plane used it as their front-line jet.

16 records for speed, altitude, and time to climb were set by the F-4. At 98,556 feet, the prototype broke the world altitude record in 1959. (30,000 meters). On a 15-mile circuit, an F-4 achieved the world speed record in 1961 at 1,604 mph (2581 kph). In addition to Mitsubishi in Japan, McDonnell had produced 5,068 Phantom IIs by the time manufacturing ceased in 1985.

In addition to serving with the air forces of the United States, F-4s also saw action in the Vietnam War and Operation Desert Storm. From 1969 until 1973, the Phantom II was flown by the Navy Blue Angels and the Air Force Thunderbirds, two U.S. military flight demonstration teams.

John Chesire, an F-4 US Navy combat pilot during the Vietnam War, claimed that the powerful Phantom was almost a flawless aircraft.

‘Nothing was “bad” about the F-4 Phantom!nOnly three things as I recall were regrettable… Its excessive engine smoke, its wide turning radius, and its lack of a gun. But its many strengths far outweighed these lesser disadvantages. And with training, they were easily overcome.

‘It was a superior aircraft along with its later more advanced ‘look-down-shoot-down” pulse doppler radar (PD) weapons systems in the “J” model. It was advanced for its time and years later too.

‘Designed as a high-speed, long-range fleet air defense interceptor against Soviet bombers, it thankfully never met that mission. It later surprised everyone with how diverse its other superior capabilities were. The F-4 was extremely successful in varied multi-missions.

‘It was my most favorite aircraft that I ever flew! It was an awesome aircraft, and we became good friends together, forever!’

From 1980 until 1988, Rick Danzey flew F-4 Phantoms with the U.S. Air Force, and he recalls:

‘The Phantom takes heat for its maneuverability. The hard-wing variants did not turn as well as the slatted models.nSmaller planes could outturn it however a well-flown Phantom was the king until the next generation of fighters came out. Even then, a Phantom could do well tactically against 14s, 15s, 16s, and 18s. I think that the two-seat Phantom was a tactical advantage as it gave us a second set of eyes in the fight.

‘The smoke from the engines was an issue. The smokeless engines made a huge difference/improvement.

‘The radar was a limitation with best contacts occurring inside of 25 miles.

‘Regarding AIM-7 missile employment. My WSO, Fish, and I had the opportunity to shoot one AIM-7F at a PQM-102 (drone F-102). We hit the maneuvering drone right in the weapons bay and broke the drone in half. I did throw a party that night as it was the first kill for thenWSEP deployment for our squadron.’

Instead, according to Randy Raines, a former USMC Captain and F-4 RIO (1972–1981), the Phantom had a number of problems:

‘They were always broken. When you reported from a flight it was “up & up” if the plane and the avionics were working. “Up & Down” if the plane was OK but the avionics was down. I can probably count on two hands the number of times I called in “up & up”. I was in four squadrons over my career and every one of them had all the planes grounded until something could be fixed. Fuel leaks were a huge problem.

‘Designed as an interceptor the structure had a hard time handling the high G’s of 1V1 combat. Then there was the bleed air system (which I understand the USAF shut down) that bleed hot exhaust gas over the leading and trailing edge of the wing when the flaps were down. That system was a continuous problem. Picture hot exhaust leaking next to a wing full of JP-5. We came pretty close to losing a plane because the crew didn’t recognize the problem and didn’t shut the valve controlling the system off.

‘Then there was the problem in the tail when you pulled the drag chute. Radios, both comm and nav, designed in the 50’sn(lots and lots of tubes) were a Huge problem! A box maybe 10″ X 10″ by 20″ in the nose wheel well, another one about half that size under my seat, plus control boxes for each cockpit. I remember a section flight out of San Francisco where one plane had the comm, another had the nav, and the third plane was squawking (IFF). Just before I got out they reconfigured my cockpit and installed a Bendix emergency radio above the radar scope. It was similar to the little box you see in Cessnas. Solid state reliability.

‘The F-4B had a pulse radar. If you were close, lower, had a peaked up set and you knew about where the boggy was you could get a radar lock in the mountains. No way if you were looking down. The F-4J had a pulse Doppler Radar. When it was working there was no ground clutter. I think I may have had one that worked. But, our F-4’s were old Navy “hand me downs” Scuttlebut had it that one was flown by Randy Cunningham in Vietnam. He and Willy [William Patrick “Willy Irish” Driscoll, Cunningham’s RIO] must have pulled some serious G’s because the pilots said that they couldn’t make it fly straight.

‘The avionics shop got mad at us because we stopped turning on the “main” radio. I heard that the Navy crew that maintained the Blue Angles loved the simplicity of the A-4 that replaced the F-4 during the ’70s gas crisis. I imagine it was the extra time off they had that really pleased them.’

But Raines comes to this conclusion:

‘Having said all that, I loved the F-4. It was a great plane that always brought you home.’

Photo by U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy, and U.S. Marine Corps

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